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Master of Arts in Art Therapy and Counseling


The Art Therapy and Counseling graduate program prepares students with beginning skills and knowledge to apply theoretical and relevant art therapy practices. To do this, classroom didactic learning and individual to small group supervisions dynamically support the students’ applications of informal to formal assessment and treatment planning, health care and related documentation, and contemporary ethical practices. The intercultural impacts of health and relational contexts, discrimination and stress, and wellness and resilience are emphasized as well as the value of media and materials discernment in forming therapeutic relationships and connections. Students combine art therapy and counseling methods within multiple systems of care for engaging diverse individuals, groups, and families for collaborative goals. The program, at a minimum, aims to prepare competent entry-level Art Therapists in the cognitive (knowledge), psychomotor (skills), and affective (behavior) learning domains.

The Art Therapy and Counseling program's 90-quarter-credit curriculum is designed to meet the Pennsylvania Licensed Professional Counselor (LPC) educational requirements for state licensure and the Accreditation Council for Art Therapy Educational standards for professional Art Therapy Credentials Board national certification (ATR-BC). While art therapy educational standards are a part of national accreditation, state licensure requirements for professional therapists and counselors vary widely from state to state and may change at any time. Our Art Therapy and Counseling program is licensure-eligible in the state of Pennsylvania and not automatically portable state to state. Therefore, if you are or will be interested in counseling licensure, you are strongly advised to access and check the licensure requirements for any state(s) in which you plan to work and practice to make sure they align with the curriculum content and field education outcomes of this program.

What you will learn

Through a multifaceted learning process, students of the Art Therapy and Counseling program learn the significant impacts that creativity, cultural humility and self-awareness, and empathy play in helping relationships and interpersonal development. The students learn to engage and strengthen their trauma-informed facilitation and group skills that include active listening, creative media use, and effective verbal, written, and meta verbal communication as well as self-regulation and compassion.

The Art Therapy and Counseling curriculum is a synthesis of multiple interactive educational components including theory, applied practice via field education, small group and individual supervision, and creative-based scholarship. Experienced together, these interactive learning components mirror the complex interplay that can occur between participants, creative processes and therapeutic spaces, and the metaphysical materiality of media in art therapy. The contemporary practices that our art therapy and counseling curriculum align with are prevention and social support, lifestyle and community connection, wellness and resilience, rehabilitation, therapeutic assessment, and social action and advocacy.

Key program components include:

  • Advanced education in the theoretical and applied foundations of art psychotherapy; art as therapy; open studio approaches; counseling theories and micro-skills; social action, advocacy, and ethics of care; and systems perspectives within community-based, wellness, and preventive initiatives;
  • 2 - 3 supervised field placement opportunities, beginning with practicum and developing over experience into a more independent internship, with a range of populations in a variety of systems of care including medical and psychiatric hospitals, outpatient and interdisciplinary behavioral health facilities, schools or other educational supports, assisted living care facilities, recovery-focused systems, community health centers, shelters, foster care, and more;
  • Emphasis on cultural humility skill acquisition including understanding and articulating how intersectional identities and social positionality (privileged and oppressed) can impact and augment therapeutic relationships and goals of therapy;
  • Counseling courses that have integrated learning across the CATs (Creative Arts Therapies or Art Therapy, Dance/Movement Therapy, and Music Therapy);
  • Master's culminating project that is creative based scholarship disseminated via an end of academic year online community platform;
  • Experiential art-making processes that inform both classroom and didactic learning to support the students’ sequential field education (practicum & internship) experiences

What makes the Drexel Art Therapy and Counseling program unique?

This groundbreaking program was the first United States graduate program in North America to matriculate arts therapy students and continues to support innovation and excellence in the creative arts therapies fields.

Students combine art therapy and counseling practices with integrated learning across the CATs (Creative Arts Therapies or Art Therapy, Dance/Movement Therapy, and Music Therapy) and real-life fieldwork and quality Delaware Valley area supervisors.

Students opting for the two-year plan of study start their fieldwork experiences upon the start of their first quarter.

Drexel University College of Nursing and Health Professions has critical access to various practice environments, interdisciplinary opportunities including collaborative culminating projects, and research facilities and infrastructure.

This distinctive program was founded in 1967 at Hahnemann Medical College and Hospital.

Welcome to the Art Therapy & Counseling Admissions page! Here you will find information to help you get started and sustain your application journey.

The deadline for applications for the Fall 2024 cohort is Wednesday, December 6, 2023.

What do I need to apply for this program?

A Bachelor's degree from an accredited institution (college, university, community college) and a minimum overall GPA (Grade Point Average) of 3.0 or above.

Send your official transcripts directly to Drexel from all the colleges/universities that you have attended. Transcripts must be submitted in a sealed envelope with the college/university seal over the flap to Drexel University, Applications Processing, PO Box 34789, Philadelphia, PA 19101, OR submitted through a secure electronic transcript delivery service to Please note that transcripts are required regardless of number of credits taken or if the credits were transferred to another school. An admission decision may be delayed if you do not send transcripts from all colleges/universities attended.

Transcripts must show course-by-course grades and degree conferrals. If your school does not notate degree conferrals on the official transcripts, you must provide copies of any graduate or degree certificates.

If your school issues only one transcript for life, you are required to have a course-by-course evaluation completed by an approved transcript evaluation agency. Use our Transcript Lookup Tool to assist you in contacting your previous institutions.

What prerequisites need to be included in my transcripts for my application to be considered for an interview and acceptance?
We require foundational coursework and demonstratable skills and exploration in psychology and studio art subjects as essential “building blocks” to our graduate art therapy and counseling curriculum to follow undergraduate study. If you are still completing your undergraduate degree and/or plan to take additional courses to fulfill these prerequisites not currently on your transcript during this application process, please indicate this in your essay or communicate your plan or timeline for completing them before your entry to our program.

Studio Art:
18-semester credits (or 27-quarter credits) of studio art coursework that can include a variety of 2D and 3D mediums that can include drawing, ceramics, printmaking, fiber and textile arts, painting, sculpture or fabrication, digital media including photography, video, and animation, and costume or set design.

Psychology coursework:
12-semester credits (or 18-quarter credits) of psychology coursework, including one 3 semester credit (or 4.5 quarter credit) course in developmental psychology and one 3 semester credit (or 4.5 quarter credit) course reviewing psychological phenomenon of mental illness, addiction, and adversity. The remaining six-semester credits (or 9-quarter credits) of psychology pre-requisites could be in areas of each applicant’s interest and/or courses available.

What do I need to prepare and submit along with my application and transcripts?
The following list includes all required elements for your application.

  • Three Letters of Recommendation: You can electronically request recommendations by listing your recommenders and their contact information on your application or through the Discover Drexel portal after you submit your application. Choose recommenders who can speak to your coursework, paid or volunteer jobs, artistry, and scholarship such as previous or current professors, supervisors, or employers. Once requested, please follow up with your recommenders to ensure they received your recommendation request — they may need to check their junk mail or Spam folder. Be sure to confirm that your recommenders will submit letters by your application deadline and follow up with those who have not completed their recommendations.
  • A Personal Statement/Essay: Please submit a 500 to 750-word typed personal essay that is intended to serve as a writing sample while telling the application review team more about you. Some things you could include are: Why are you applying to our program? What inspired you to follow a career in art therapy? What level of and insight into human service experience do you have? If you feel comfortable to share, please bring in aspects of your race or ethnicity, gender or gender identity, dis/ability, nationality, immigration status, religion, sexual orientation, and any other relevant cultural affiliation/s that connect your learning or future work goals to intercultural experiences or community perspectives.
  • CV/Resume: Include your relevant education, work, and service or volunteer experiences.
  • Visual Art Portfolio: Submit a portfolio of 10–15 works of art that demonstrate facility with a range of media and your understanding of the creative process. Include an image or file list (title, media, and dimensions) and any relevant context or descriptions along with the artworks shared, and within the portfolio. The purpose of this portfolio is for us to understand your media and materials expression and exploration. Refrain from uploading prescriptive assignments from foundational art classes, unless you like how they turned out! As shared above, your creative works can include a variety of 2D and 3D mediums such as drawing, ceramics, printmaking, painting, sculpture or fabrication, fiber and textile arts, digital media including photography, video, and animation, and costume or set design. We invite you to share your more recent and current projects, ideas, and innovative media practices to evidence both breadth and depth of materials use rather than a more singular focus or “consistency” in your portfolio. Art therapy portfolios tend to be contrastive in content compared to fine arts examples. Visual Art Portfolios are to be uploaded through SlideRoom.

What happens after I apply?

  • All applications are collated into the Drexel Graduate Admissions database and uploaded after the final December deadline for faculty review in early January.
  • Invitations to interview will be delivered to select applicants via our Creative Arts Therapies Admissions e-mail by early February, with options to attend a group interview on dates in late February or early March.
  • Selected international candidates will be contacted via Creative Arts Therapies Admissions email to schedule online interviews if they cannot be present for in-person interview days.
  • All candidates invited to enroll in the next Fall cohort will be notified via email from both Creative Arts Therapies Admissions and Drexel Graduate Admissions by the end of March via email.
  • Those applicants not invited to interview, or not accepted after the group interviews are completed, will be notified by the Drexel Graduate Admissions office.

Who can I contact for more information about the admissions process and if I have any questions?
A Creative Arts Therapies admissions coordinator is here to answer your additional questions. Please email:

What if I have more questions and/or am not yet ready to apply?
Reach out to us. We would love to hear from you! Ask our Admissions Coordinator about our next online Q & A session and/or upcoming on-campus visit day.

Diversity, equity and inclusion:
Please review the CNHP (College of Nursing and Health Professions) Diversity, Equity and Inclusion website as to our program, department and greater college and university commitments in making our learning and work environments diverse and inclusive, or places where all voices and persons are heard and honored for their lived experiences. We also value how intersectional experiences and perspectives intrinsically enrich education, research and practice.

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Tuition and Fee Rates: Please visit the Tuition and Fee Rates page on Drexel Central.


Art Therapy and Counseling students study the vital roles that creativity, empathy and cultural humility augment our professional work and interpersonal growth. The 90 quarter-credit curriculum includes specific art therapy coursework in areas such as:

  • foundations of creative arts therapies;
  • assessment and treatment planning for children, adolescents, adults, older adults and families;
  • trauma and systemic approaches;
  • creativity, symbol and metaphor;
  • digital media use;
  • mindfulness;
  • professional identity;
  • addictions and recovery.

Students also take classes in general counseling topics including:

  • psychological human development;
  • DSM and psychopathology;
  • social and cultural foundations;
  • professional ethics and orientation;
  • career counseling;
  • clinical appraisal and assessment;
  • theories of counseling and psychotherapy;
  • behavioral research;
  • group dynamics.

The Art Therapy and Counseling program is a high-residency program, meaning that students must attend in-person classes at Drexel’s Philadelphia campus during the Fall, Winter and Spring quarters. All Summer term courses are offered completely online, and to accommodate students’ abilities to work and/or be in locations other than Philadelphia for reasons of rest or return to family and friends while completing their summer course work. Classes and practicums/internships are scheduled for weekdays (Monday through Friday) and generally during daytime hours (8:30 a.m. to 6 p.m.).

Students may enroll in an accelerated (7 quarters) or a decelerated (11 quarters) plan of study, which span the coursework and field education experiences over two or three years, respectively. We do not refer to the three-year, decelerated plans of study as part-time because in all terms, students will register for enough credits to be considered full-time for the federal financial aid requirements. At a minimum, decelerated plan of study students need to be available two days a week in their first year, three to four days a week in their second year, and 4-5 days a week in their final year. There are additional time commitments needed weekly to complete variable assignments, prepare readings or other learning materials, and/or engage in small group activities for courses and supervisions.


The Drexel University Art Therapy and Counseling program is accredited by the Commission on Accreditation of Allied Health Education Programs ( upon the recommendation of The Accreditation Council for Art Therapy Education. Commission on Accreditation of Allied Health Education Programs

Both ACATE and CAAHEP cooperate with the American Art Therapy Association (AATA) to establish, maintain and promote appropriate standards of quality for educational programs that meet or exceed the minimum standards. The Drexel University Master of Arts in Art Therapy and Counseling program also meets the educational requirements for the Registered Art Therapist (ATR) or ATR-BC (board certification) with the Art Therapy Credentials Board (ATCB).

Benefits of Accreditation
CAAHEP accreditation attests to the quality of an educational program that prepares for entry into the art therapy profession.

  • For the public, accreditation promotes and protects the health, safety, and welfare of the communities that art therapy professionals serve
  • For prospective students, accreditation provides assurance the program has been evaluated and has met accepted standards established by and with art therapy stakeholders
  • For prospective employers, accreditation assures that the curriculum covers essential skills and knowledge needed for today's contemporary practices and healthcare trends
  • For graduates, accreditation represents an indicator of a program's quality and viability
  • For art therapists, accreditation involves practitioners in the establishment of standards and assures that educational requirements deliver essential services while inspiring adaptive and innovative approaches
  • For the faculty and program administrators, accreditation promotes ongoing program evaluation tools and practices for continuous improvement and accountability
  • For the University, college, department or program, accreditation represents peer recognition and sustainability


 Graduation Year 
2019-2020 2020-2021 2021-2022
Admitted 16 15 15
Still Enrolled 3 4 3
Graduates 13 11 12
W/D Personal 0 0 0
W/D Academic 0 0 0
Retention Rate 100% 100% 100%


 Graduation Year 
2019-2020 2020-2021 2021-2022
Students Graduated 13 11 12
Graduates employed in field of study within 6 months of graduation 13 10 11
Students who continued to doctoral program or other education 0 1 0
Percent of students gainfully employed within 6 months of graduation 100% 100% 91.67%

Clinical Education

Clinical Education for Art Therapy and Counseling students
The number of practicum and internship Clinical Education hours provided by our Art Therapy and Counseling program meets the educational standards of the Art Therapy Credentials Board (ATCB) and the Accreditation Council for Art Therapy Education (ACATE). These standards require that art therapists enter the field with a master’s degree in art therapy with a minimum of 700 supervised hours of practicum and/or internship earned in graduate school that include a minimum of 350 hours of direct provision of art therapy and counseling services to individuals, groups or families. There are post-graduation supervision and direct client care hour requirements as well to obtain professional art therapy board certification.

  • In the two-year plan of study, students begin their clinical education experiences as soon as they enter the program. The field education parallels the classroom learning content that is didactic and “hands on” or learning-while-doing, and both are enhanced by individual and group supervision every week. This plan is considered full time, accelerated, and takes the student two years or seven academic quarters to complete.
  • In the three-year program plan of study option, students begin their practicum in their second year of the program and advance into internship for the third and final year of study. The three-year plan of study is not considered a part time program, but it is one that allows the student to move slower through our curriculum and graduate after three years or eleven quarter credits are completed.

Practicum Clinical Experience
All students have one practicum experience that spans over three quarters (October to June), in their second or third year enrolled (depending on the plan of study they are following). The first quarter clinical practicum is accompanied by a micro-skills counseling prep course as well as small group art therapy supervisions that continue throughout that academic year. The first practicum experience is one in which early clinical education learning is attained through observation and scaffolded experiences where each student works alongside art therapy and counseling professionals who role model therapy approaches and techniques while supervising the students in various milieus and care systems. The degree of involvement in the therapy, community engagement or other health care initiatives with groups, individuals and families are tailored to the site needs and each student's skill development, which are supported in various supervision evaluation processes. Depending on the site and supervisor availability year to year, the practicum locations are located throughout Philadelphia, parts of New Jersey and surrounding areas. Student practicums are assigned by the CAT Clinical Education Coordinator and also require the students to all complete FBI and health background checks, CPR training and drug screening prior to starting at their practicum assignments.

Internship Clinical Experience
The second or third-year internship experience offers opportunities for students to mature and specialize as interns in a new clinical education placement that builds off their practicum. With the guidance of the clinical education coordinator and the Art Therapy and Counseling faculty team, students can self-choose an internship experience that can have, but does not require, an art therapist on-site. These internship experiences typically span three-quarters of the school year (fall, winter, spring) and have a three-day a week commitment in providing the students more advanced and integrated responsibilities at each of their sites. When students choose an internship site where there is not a pre-existing art therapy provider or supervisor, they receive first-hand experience of developing their role and responsibilities with administrative support alongside off-site art therapy supervision and weekly, on-campus small supervision groups. Students selecting internships with pre-existing art therapy services participate in on-site supervision and weekly, on-campus small supervision groups for sustained learning and support of their developing professional identities and skill sets.

Arts-Based and Authentic Learning Formative Assessments
All practicum and internship students are required to keep written and visual journals that assist with developing observational skills as well as greater emotional and cognitive capacities to discern, tolerate, and understand the various internal experiences that emerge for an art therapist and counselor in training (these are shared and developed directly in small group supervision groups). Moreover, understanding these internal experiences alongside the observation of systems and milieu practices and lived experiences of clientele and groups, fundamentally inform the art therapy and counseling field education of each graduate student. Articulating and integrating these components over time and as distinct processes are key competencies. Attributes to such integrated learning can fall into many areas gained via processes of self-reflection and growth, interpersonal collaboration, and social learning such as:

  • critical and creative thinking;
  • group dynamics awareness;
  • ethical problem solving and intercultural communication;
  • cultural humility.

News & Events

Meet CNHP Alumni: Morgan Karcher, MA ’21


Drexel University's College of Nursing and Health Professions Department of Creative Arts Therapies prepares students in art, music and dance/movement therapies and counseling. Our students and alumni have a variety of areas of practice and passions that bring them to the college. For alumna Morgan Karcher, MA art therapy and counseling ’21, a Philly-based queer therapist at Nourish Therapy and Wellness, it's youth in the LGBTQ+ community.

Morgan stands in front of CAT studios cabinets, full of various art supplies. Activism in Art Therapy

To me, art therapy is a complement to traditional counseling practices. It is a way to bring folks into a therapy practice that doesn’t require verbal expression and offers different outlets to express emotions. Sometimes we make things, sometimes we destroy things. I think it is a beautiful process and a varied way of expressing how you feel, especially when words feel difficult or impossible to access.

In addition to the positive impact that art therapy can have with clients generally, I have found that art therapy is a particularly useful intervention for clients in the LGBTQ community, especially LGBTQ youth. Art helps us tap into different elements of our identity, especially when we haven’t always had the voice to do so. And even within the LGBTQ community, there is a lot of identity exploration to do. I find that art therapy can lean into these areas and provide empowerment and voice to the client that they may not have found before.

As a queer therapist myself, I am constantly learning about my identity, personally and professionally, and I feel honored to be able to do that work alongside my clients. When I disclose to clients that I am queer, I often hear from them that this is the first time a therapist has disclosed this or that they didn’t feel affirmed in their identity by previous therapists. I really think it’s so important for all therapists to be competent in LGBTQ-presenting issues to affirm and empower our clients.

Morgan is seated at table in CAT studios, creating a watercolor artwork on white paper Issues Facing LGBTQ Youth

As some may know, LGBTQ youth are facing discrimination as a community, be it at home or at school. A lot of it has to do with parents not understanding their child’s identity, and, honestly, that is some of my favorite and most difficult work to take on. I create space for parents in this process, including offering parent-only therapy sessions, and I talk with them directly about their experiences growing up. What was their family like? How did they view the LGBTQ community? How have parents or others in their lives, spoken about the LGBTQ community in the past?

The issues facing LGBTQ youth are huge. Suicidality, self harm, depression, anxiety, gender dysphoria or questioning. These are big topics that are not easy to solve or eradicate, but finding a trusted space to process emotions and connect to self is crucial. In my sessions as an art therapist, I emphasize that we are exploring the client’s identity as a whole. Their sexuality and gender identity are part of that whole, but there are other facets that make us who we are.

For a young person looking to start counseling, I would remind that that therapy is a human service. Sometimes you have to do a little “therapy shopping” to find a clinician who is right for you.

Morgan creates watercolor painting, orange paint on white paper with abstract swirls LGBTQ Allyship for Clinicians

As with any area of therapy, especially those which may not be a part of your lived experience, I think it is so important for clinicians to do research and reading on the communities they work with and to get involved with relevant organizations. It is a huge part of being a therapist and it is a part of being an advocate within therapy, as well as outside of it. There are many topics within the LGBTQ community that I am learning more about and research because I don’t have all the answers either. In my view, to be an affirmative therapist, you must put in this kind of work throughout your career to be effective and informed for your clients.

Looking to the Future

In terms of next steps in my career, I am looking forward to beginning practice as a fully registered art therapist. I plan to continue my work with the LGBTQ population and I look forward to working one-on-one with clients. In addition, I am excited to solidify my relationships with local schools, hospitals and community centers and serve as an advocate within these organizations. Advocacy is the center of my work, and I look forward to all opportunities to continue this important effort for my clients and community!

Edited by Izzy López

Ivy Tong Celebrates Creative Arts Therapies


Ivy Tong stands in front of blue wall, holding VR headset and smiling to camera “Dance and movement are a full body vulnerability,” shares Ivy Tong, MA dance/movement therapy and counseling ’23. “As a DMT therapist, it is such a privilege to get to know my clients and learn their stories through this modality. To me, therapy is all about hearing someone’s story and then helping them to reshape their story from a strengths-based perspective.”


Born in Beijing, China, Tong studied Chinese traditional dance as a child and has fostered a life-long love for the arts. During her undergrad years, Tong studied social work and considered a career in counseling. However, Tong discovered the field of creative arts therapies and considered the possibility of combining her passion for dance with her professional interest in therapy.

“Because I am a dancer, I know how healing this modality can be,” Tong shares. “I know first-hand the way dance and movement transform my state of being, the way I’m feeling, my emotions and physical experience. Now, I want to use these skills and insights to help others.”


Exterior image of Health Sciences Building, 11 story building with orange facade and windowsTong says she chose to come to Drexel because she was interested in pursuing research in the field of creative arts therapies. Now, she works as a research assistant in the Mind-Body & Movement Research for Whole-Person Health Lab, led by Minjung Shim, PhD, BC-DMT, an assistant research professor and board-certified dance/movement therapist. The mission of Shim’s lab is “to further the integration of mind-body medicine and creative arts-based interventions into the mainstream healthcare system by means of rigorous, evidence-based research and clinical application of this work.” The lab’s vision encompasses a drive to develop heightened interprofessional collaboration across academic disciplines as well as clinical and community interests.

A table lined with VR headsets “The work we are doing in this lab is very cool,” Tong says. “We are currently conducting a feasibility study to see how enjoyable and doable older adults find virtual reality mindful movement programs. So far, we are getting great results.”

As a part of her research work, Tong engages with VR technology in Shim’s lab to simulate experiences for study participants. Shim’s research lab makes use of the new Health Science Building and the dance/movement therapy research studio. “It’s a gorgeous space,” Tong comments.


In addition to her role in Shim’s lab, Tong has explored several internship opportunities at Jefferson Hospital through her masters’ program. Starting in September 2022, Tong has run therapy groups for in-patient psychiatric units at Jefferson, as well as groups for all different units and floors throughout the hospital. This upcoming term, Tong plans to work the oncology and palliative care units, an experience which will inform her thesis about grief and caregivers.

As Tong looks towards the future, she shares that she is hopeful about using dance and movement therapy as a method in her future practice. In the long term, Tong hopes to open a private practice that encompasses a variety of therapeutic approaches, including art therapy, movement therapy, music therapy, animal-assisted therapy and more. Tong is an ardent believer in the potential of creative arts therapies and its improved outcomes for clients.

“Our body holds a lot of information,” Tong explains. “It holds onto our memories, stories and experiences – all of this lives in our somatic memory. So sometimes, being able to move with someone can open them up more so than traditional talk therapy. It can make possible entire conversations that might not have otherwise been accessible for that person before exploring creative arts therapies.”

Written by Izzy López

How to Undo Systemic Racism in Higher Education Faculty Hiring


Veronica Carey, PhD, assistant dean for Diversity, Equity and Inclusion (seated on the left) and Marybeth Gasman, PhD, author of Doing the Right Thing: How Colleges and Universities Can Undo Systemic Racism in Faculty Hiring (seated on the right) having a discussion about Gasman's book.On Thursday, January 12th assistant dean for diversity, equity and inclusion Veronica Carey, PhD, hosted Marybeth Gasman, PhD, author of Doing the Right Thing: How Colleges and Universities Can Undo Systemic Racism in Faculty Hiring. The 90-minute event welcomed more than 70 faculty, professional staff and students from across Drexel University. This frank discussion, held in the College of Nursing and Health Professions' new Health Sciences Building, focused on what CNHP can do to support the hiring and retention of faculty of color. Gasman, the Samuel DeWitt Proctor Endowed Chair and a distinguished professor in the Graduate School of Education at Rutgers University, noted, " the reason why hiring faculty of color is an issue at most academies is because excuses have been made for the hiring of white faculty who may not have been as qualified as candidates of color."

In an interview format, Carey's first question, "why this book now?" Gasman responded, "I was angry enough to know academies should not continue like this." A historian by education, Gasman continued by sharing that she wanted to research how long this practice has been happening. Gasman stated that if an academy wants to do something it gets done. "My initial response to why this book now is also because academies do not want to hire faculty of color and I am tired of them stating we just can't find diverse faculty." She passionately answered Carey's follow-up questions — "why don't academies do more when they know the problem exists?", "what can leaders do to ensure equity in hiring?" and "how did you conduct research for this book?" Then, in and open Q&A, attendees asked Gasman to address concerns stemming from quality vs. pedigree and the excuses given for not doing the right thing.

Veronica Carey, PhD, assistant dean for Diversity, Equity and Inclusion (seated on the left) and Marybeth Gasman, PhD, author of Doing the Right Thing: How Colleges and Universities Can Undo Systemic Racism in Faculty Hiring (seated on the right) having a discussion about Gasman's book.

Attendee Denise Way, DNP, an assistant clinical professor in Undergraduate Nursing, stated, "This was so wonderful to have an opportunity to be in a room where this topic was addressed. So proud to hear peers' comments and suggestions to correct this issue." Board of Diversity, Equity and Inclusion student members Alexis Robinson, Charlise Williams, and Seleena Jacob celebrated being at an event targeted to support diverse educational opportunities while they matriculate at CNHP.

Written by Veronica Carey, PhD, assistant dean for diversity, equity and inclusion and associate clinical professor

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