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Master of Arts in Music Therapy and Counseling

Program

The Master of Arts in Music Therapy & Counseling is a 90 quarter-credit program that integrates advanced music therapy and general counseling coursework with hands-on clinical experience and research opportunities, preparing graduates for a variety of career paths in the music therapy profession. Faculty include dedicated, knowledgeable music therapists as well as other creative arts therapists, clinical psychologists and counseling educators, offering a curriculum focused on in-depth study of foundational and innovative music therapy and mental health theories and approaches. The program can be completed in a minimum of two years (seven quarters) of full-time study, although some students may take longer to complete all program requirements, or opt for a decelerated plan of study. Classes held during the regular academic year (Fall, Winter and Spring quarters) are taught in-person at our Center City Philadelphia campus, while coursework in the Summer term can be completed remotely.

Founded in 1975, the MA in Music Therapy & Counseling is one of the few music therapy academic programs in the country housed on a health sciences campus. This setting provides a unique perspective on the merging of arts and health sciences, with an emphasis on culturally responsive interprofessional education. Students have opportunities for clinical experience, research and more at several University- related facilities, including Parkway Health & Wellness, the Stephen and Sandra Sheller 11th Street Family Health Services Center and the Dornsife Center for Neighborhood Partnerships.

Our program is designed both for students who have a Bachelor's degree in another field, and are seeking the required education and clinical experience to become a board-certified music therapist (MT-BC), as well as current Bachelor's-level music therapists who wish to pursue advanced study in music therapy and counseling. All courses are taught at the graduate level; we do not offer an equivalency program.

The Music Therapy and Counseling Curriculum is approved by the American Music Therapy Association. Upon completion of the program, students are eligible to sit for the examination of the Certification Board for Music Therapists, to earn the MT-BC credential. Our program also meets the Pennsylvania Licensed Professional Counselor (LPC) education requirements. Please note that licensure requirements vary from state to state, and may change at any time. Therefore, if you are considering counseling licensure in the future, you are strongly advised to review educational requirements for any state(s) in which you may seek counseling licensure. It is the student's responsibility to know and understand the requirements for any type of future licensure.

What you'll learn

  • Integration of music therapy methodologies with mental health counseling and medical sciences theories and approaches.
  • Daily interaction with music, art and dance/movement therapists, psychologists, neuroscientists, physicians and other health professionals as teachers and supervisors.
  • Clinical applications of instrumental and vocal improvisation, composition, re-creative and imagery methods within music psychotherapy and counseling, medical music therapy and developmentally-focused treatment models.
  • Multiple supervised adult and child clinical placement opportunities in a variety of settings, including medical and psychiatric hospitals, inpatient and outpatient behavioral health facilities, schools, continuing care facilities, community health centers, correctional facilities and more.
  • Basic understanding of art and dance/movement therapies and their relationship to music therapy.
  • Interaction with students and educators representing all the health sciences.
  • A culminating project (traditional research thesis or capstone project) focused on a student's chosen area of interest, and guided by a multidisciplinary advisement committee.
  • Student presentation of research at local, regional, and national conferences.

What makes the Drexel Music Therapy and Counseling program unique?

  • Housed in Drexel University's College of Nursing and Health Professions, on the University's health sciences campus.
  • Mental health counseling component of curriculum, which covers topics such as Human Psychological Development, Clinical Diagnosis, Group Dynamics, Theories of Psychotherapy, and Social and Cultural Foundations in Counseling and Psychotherapy, and prepares students for professional counseling licensure in Pennsylvania.
  • A strong emphasis on multicultural perspectives and social justice.
  • The opportunity to study alongside art therapy and dance/movement therapy students, creating opportunities for interdisciplinary engagement and collaboration.
  • Students complete coursework and clinical experiences simultaneously, allowing for synthesis of theoretical and practical knowledge throughout the program.

Compliance

The College of Nursing and Health Professions has a compliance process that may be required for every student. Some of these steps may take significant time to complete. Please plan accordingly. Each program and plan of study has specific compliance requirements. Students should wait to receive information about their program’s specific requirements before starting with the compliance process.

Visit the Compliance pages for more information.

Deadline:

Applications are reviewed in the two cycles based on the following dates:

  • Early Deadline: January 15, 2025
  • Regular Deadline: April 15, 2025

Please note that applications are reviewed on a rolling basis. We encourage you to submit completed applications by the early deadline for full interview and scholarship consideration. We will continue to review applications after the early deadline until the class is full or the date listed above, whichever should come first.

Admission Requirements

Degree:
Bachelor's degree in any field from an accredited institution, and a minimum overall GPA of 3.0 or above on all previous coursework.

Standardized Tests:
N/A

Transcripts:

  • Official transcripts must be sent directly to Drexel from all the colleges/universities that you have attended. Transcripts must be submitted in a sealed envelope with the college/university seal over the flap to Drexel University, Application Processing, P.O. Box 34789, Philadelphia, PA 19101, or submitted through a secure electronic delivery service to enroll@drexel.edu. Please note that transcripts are required regardless of the number of credits taken or if the credits were transferred to another school. An admission decision may be delayed if you do not send transcripts from all colleges/universities attended.
  • Transcripts must show course-by-course grades and degree conferrals. If your school does not notate degree conferrals on the official transcripts, you must provide copies of any graduate or degree certificates.
  • If your school issues only one transcript for life, you are required to have a course-by-course evaluation completed by an approved transcript evaluation agency
  • Use our Transcript Lookup Tool to assist you in contacting your previous institutions

Prerequisites:
Instrumental and vocal music experience is needed. All instrumental backgrounds are welcomed and will be considered for admissions. Applicants can have backgrounds in varied styles and genres with working knowledge in applied musical concepts. Volunteer or paid experience in a helping relationship is preferred.

References:
Three letters of recommendation are required. At least one recommendation should refer to your musicianship or musical skills. Letters of recommendation should be requested and submitted electronically through your online application.

Personal Statement/Essay:
Submit a 500-1250 word essay that focuses on your relationship with music, what led you to pursue a career path in music therapy and additional information that informs your application to this program. Essays may be submitted with your application or through the Discover Drexel portal after your online application is complete.

Audition/Interview: Invited applicants will be asked to participate in a 45-minute audition/interview with faculty members of the graduate music therapy program. The audition/interview will explore applicants' personal, academic, interpersonal and creative attributes and review musical knowledge and skills. Applicants are asked to prepare the following for review:
1. Two pieces from different musical styles or genres that demonstrate proficiency on applicants' primary instrument(s).
2. Two popular, folk or original songs, sung while accompanying yourself on piano.
3. Two popular, folk or original songs, sung while accompanying yourself on guitar.
4. Demonstration of musical knowledge and skills. This includes playing chord progressions (I-IV-V-I; I-vi-ii-VI) in varied keys on piano and guitar, providing chordal accompaniment and transposition of familiar songs and improvisation on instruments of choice.

Invited applicants who cannot participate in an in-person interview may submit recorded material demonstrating items 1-3 above. A virtual interview will be scheduled to review additional criteria for program admissions.

CV/Resume:
Required. Include relevant education, work and service/volunteer experience.

Work and Volunteer Experience:
Social service work or volunteer history is highly valued.

Projected Tuition and Fee Rates:
Amounts might vary by year and plan of study

AY 23/24 Tuition Rate $782
AY 24/25 Tuition Rate $805
Two Year Program
Quarter Fall Winter Spring Summer
CNHP Fees* $1,265 $0 $0 $0
Drexel Quarterly Fee** $280 $280 $280 $280
Total Fees $1,545 $280 $280 $280
         
Tuition Rate $805 $805 $805 $805
Credits Per Quarter 14.5 12.5 15 11
Tuition Per Quarter $11,679 $10,068 $12,082 $8,860
         
Total Tuition and Fees $13,224 $10,384 $12,362 $9,140
         
Annual Total $45,074
Three Year Program
Quarter Fall Winter Spring Summer
CNHP Fees* $1,265 $0 $0 $0
Drexel Quarterly Fee** $280 $280 $280 $280
Total Fees $1,545 $280 $280 $280
         
Tuition Rate $805 $805 $805 $805
Credits Per Quarter 10.5 10.5 9.5 4.5
Tuition Per Quarter $8,457 $8,457 $7,652 $3,625
         
Total Tuition and Fees $10,002 $8,737 $7,932 $3,905
         
Annual Total $30,576
Four Year Program
Quarter Fall Winter Spring Summer
CNHP Fees* $1,265 $0 $0 $0
Drexel Quarterly Fee** $140 $140 $140 $140
Total Fees $1,405 $140 $140 $140
         
Tuition Rate $805 $805 $805 $805
Credits Per Quarter 6.5 6.5 6.5 4.5
Tuition Per Quarter $5,235 $5,235 $5,235 $3,625
         
Total Tuition and Fees $6,640 $5,375 $5,375 $3,765
         
Annual Total $21,156

*Charged once upon admission
**Assuming full-time student

Additional Requirements for International Applicants

  • Transcript Evaluation: All international students applying to a graduate program must have their transcripts evaluated by the approved agency: World Education Services (WES), 212.966.6311, Bowling Green Station, P.O. Box 5087, New York, NY 10274-5087, Web site: www.wes.org/.
  • TOEFL: Applicants who have not received a degree in the United States are required to take the Test of English as a Foreign Language (TOEFL) or the International English Language Testing System (IELTS) An official score report must be sent directly to Drexel University Application Processing. The minimum TOEFL score is 90 and the minimum IELTS score is 6.5. For more information visit the Web site: www.ets.org, then click on TOEFL.
  • I-20/DS-2019 and Supporting Financial Documents (international students only): After confirming attendance to Drexel, students will receive an email from ISSS with instructions for applying for their I-20/DS-2019 and submitting supporting financial documents.

International Consultants of Delaware, Inc.
P.O. Box 8629
Philadelphia, PA 19101-8629
215.222.8454, ext. 603

Commission on Graduates of Foreign Nursing Schools
3600 Market St., Suite 400
Philadelphia, PA 19104-2651
215.349.8767

World Education Services, Inc. (WES)
Bowling Green Station, P.O. Box 5087
New York, NY 10274-5087
212.966.631

Background checks:

As a student of the College of Nursing and Health Professions you will be required to satisfactorily complete a criminal background check, child and elder abuse checks, drug test, immunizations, physical exams, health history, and/or other types of screening before being permitted to begin clinical training.

You will not need to submit documentation of these requirements as part of your application to the master's program. Failure to fully satisfy these requirements as directed upon enrollment may prevent assignment to a clinical site for training. A background check that reflects a conviction of a felony or misdemeanor may affect your ability to be placed in certain facilities, and later, to become board certified and licensed.

Curriculum

The MA in Music Therapy & Counseling is a 90-quarter credit program. The program can be completed in a minimum of two years (seven quarters) of full-time study, although some students may take longer to complete all requirements, or opt for a decelerated plan of study. The majority of classes are taught in-person on Drexel's College of Nursing and Health Professions campus in Center City, Philadelphia with select classes offered online.

The coursework consists of both Music Therapy-specific and general mental health counseling coursework. Music Therapy-specific topics include:

  • Music Therapy theories and methods for child, adolescent, adult and older adult populations
  • Clinical musicianship and improvisation skills
  • Social and cultural foundations in music therapy
  • Technological applications
  • Imagery methods
  • Group dynamics in music therapy
  • Theories of music psychotherapy

Mental health counseling coursework covers theories and skills in:

  • Human psychological development
  • Psychopathology and the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders
  • Social and cultural foundations in counseling
  • Behavioral research
  • Group dynamics in counseling
  • Theories of counseling and psychotherapy
  • Career counseling
  • Clinical appraisal and diagnosis
  • Professional ethics
  • Foundations of Creative Art Therapies

Clinical experience is integrated with classroom learning, with students participating in two practicums and one internship throughout the course of the program. For more information on the clinical education component of the Music Therapy program, click on the "Clinical Practices" tab above.

A Culminating Project rounds out the curriculum. Second-or third-year students conduct a Culminating Project that integrates practice with theory and/or research. Under the guidance of their Culminating Project advisor, students design a project that explores aspects of both their respective Creative Arts Therapies discipline and counseling. Examples of Culminating Projects include development of a method, a community engagement project, research thesis or artistic project. Culminating Projects may be connected to a student's internship, but it is not a requirement. At the end of each academic year, students present their Culminating Projects to peers, faculty, friends and family at their respective program's Colloquium. Students are also encouraged to submit projects to regional and national conferences when applicable.

Accreditation

The Music Therapy and Counseling program is approved by the American Music Therapy Association.

http://www.musictherapy.org/

Clinical Practice

Students complete more than 1,200 hours of graduate clinical practicum and internship experiences under the supervision of a board-certified music therapist. Placements include pediatric and adult psychiatric and general hospitals, recovery and wellness programs, therapeutic day care, preschool intervention programs, rehabilitation settings, long-term care facilities, forensic settings, schools, and community music therapy programs.

Students begin their clinical experience as soon as they enter the program. The clinical education is enhanced by 3 to 3.5 hours of individual and group supervision per week.

First-year students gain practical and theoretical knowledge regarding a range of clinical populations across two placements assigned by the Director of Field Education. During practicum experiences supervised by on-site board-certified music therapists, students are guided through observation, assisting and co-leading of music therapy sessions in preparation for the second-year internship.

Clinical internship lasts the entire second year and offers an opportunity for students to mature and develop advanced skills with one or, in some cases, two populations. The internship is chosen by the student with assistance from the Director of Field Education and approved by the Music Therapy Program Director. The practicum and internship fulfill the clinical training requirements of the American Music Therapy Association.

Katy Hutchings, MA `15 - Music Therapist

Hometown: Piedmont, CA

Undergraduate: BA, Music (Minor in Educational Studies), Haverford College; MM, Voice Performance, Temple University

Current Employment: Music Therapist at Young Children's Center for the Arts, Philadelphia, PA

How did the MTC program help you discover and gain experience in your areas of interest?
I loved that I had clinical experience throughout my two years at Drexel. While other programs make you wait to start clinical work, Drexel allowed me to dive right in and immediately start enhancing my education by seeing and participating in actual music therapy in the real world. As someone who was new to music therapy, this was incredibly valuable. Integrating clinical work and course work deepened my understanding of music therapy. I especially appreciated being able to find and choose my own internship my second year, allowing me to focus on working with children with developmental delays, Autism Spectrum Disorder, and other neurological diagnoses.

How did your musical identity transform while you were in the Music Therapy program?
Coming from a career of being a professional singer and voice teacher, it was quite a shock to redefine myself as music therapist. I was a complete beginner at guitar and it was very humbling! I also had never improvised and was not as confident in my improvisational skills. By the end of the program, I grew to love playing the guitar and improvising.
What aspects of the curriculum were valuable in addressing issues of diversity, multicultural awareness, and social justice?
From our first day, we were introduced to instruments and musical styles from all over the world and different cultures. Musically, we explored a large variety of styles in a safe, nonjudgmental environment and our own personal music histories were valued as well. In our core curriculum courses, I appreciate the focus on diversity and multicultural awareness especially in terms of our role as therapists in such a diverse city like Philadelphia.

What guidance would you give students who are considering Drexel's MA in Music Therapy & Counseling?
Drexel's program is intense but in two years you will feel confident in your skills as a clinician, counselor, and musician. All of my classmates were able to find full time work almost immediately and that speaks to how prepared we all were entering the job market. As an older student returning to school to start a new career, I felt very respected and supported by the faculty and my peers. Another benefit of Drexel's program is the opportunity to take classes with Art Therapy and Dance Movement Therapy students, allowing me to gain a broader perspective of Creative Arts Therapies. I now have a greater sense of how the arts can be used in therapy and I also have a large network of peers from all three modalities.

Michael Mahoney MA `10 - Alum, Practicum/Internship Supervisor

Hometown: Brockport, NY

Undergraduate major and institution: Philosophy (with Business Studies minor) at SUNY Geneseo

Current Employment: Music Therapist at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia

Why did you choose Drexel's Music Therapy & Counseling program? I appreciated that Drexel would not require me to earn an undergraduate music degree, as I didn't have a particular interest in becoming an expert on a specific instrument. Instead, I was able to use my own past experiences (playing in bands with friends, music technology) to develop my model to my own strengths.

What guidance would you give students who are considering Drexel's MA in Music Therapy & Counseling?
Gain musical experiences, either by learning formal music theory or on the side of playing music by playing music in performing groups before you begin.

How did this program prepare you for a career as a music therapist? Through classwork and on-site experiences, I learned everything I needed to know to stand at the starting line of my own music therapy professional practice. I received huge amounts of support from respected experts in the field, and learned to initiate an ongoing learning process that continues to enrich my work today.

What has your professional experience been like? Extremely rewarding and marked by good fortune! I accepted a job at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia shortly after graduation, and I am now nearing my six-year anniversary. Every day I support patients and their families in playing out their thoughts, feelings and values through musical experiences during life-changing illnesses and hospitalizations. I think a lot about how to support everyone I meet from infant patients to their great-grandparents in the developmental challenges they face. This great honor is also a great responsibility, which I take very seriously.

What aspects of the curriculum were valuable in addressing issues of diversity, multicultural awareness, and social justice?
Our class content helped me understand how my (white, male, hetero cis-gendered) perspectives and values are not necessarily "the norm" for everyone, but rather just a single reference point out of so many across the city and the world. It showed me how community or other non-Western approaches can be more beneficial for the struggling person, than anything that fits my ideas of what's normal.

News & Events

Meet CNHP Alumni: Morgan Karcher, MA ’21

06/01/23

Drexel University's College of Nursing and Health Professions Department of Creative Arts Therapies prepares students in art, music and dance/movement therapies and counseling. Our students and alumni have a variety of areas of practice and passions that bring them to the college. For alumna Morgan Karcher, MA art therapy and counseling ’21, a Philly-based queer therapist at Nourish Therapy and Wellness, it's youth in the LGBTQ+ community.

Morgan stands in front of CAT studios cabinets, full of various art supplies. Activism in Art Therapy

To me, art therapy is a complement to traditional counseling practices. It is a way to bring folks into a therapy practice that doesn’t require verbal expression and offers different outlets to express emotions. Sometimes we make things, sometimes we destroy things. I think it is a beautiful process and a varied way of expressing how you feel, especially when words feel difficult or impossible to access.

In addition to the positive impact that art therapy can have with clients generally, I have found that art therapy is a particularly useful intervention for clients in the LGBTQ community, especially LGBTQ youth. Art helps us tap into different elements of our identity, especially when we haven’t always had the voice to do so. And even within the LGBTQ community, there is a lot of identity exploration to do. I find that art therapy can lean into these areas and provide empowerment and voice to the client that they may not have found before.

As a queer therapist myself, I am constantly learning about my identity, personally and professionally, and I feel honored to be able to do that work alongside my clients. When I disclose to clients that I am queer, I often hear from them that this is the first time a therapist has disclosed this or that they didn’t feel affirmed in their identity by previous therapists. I really think it’s so important for all therapists to be competent in LGBTQ-presenting issues to affirm and empower our clients.

Morgan is seated at table in CAT studios, creating a watercolor artwork on white paper Issues Facing LGBTQ Youth

As some may know, LGBTQ youth are facing discrimination as a community, be it at home or at school. A lot of it has to do with parents not understanding their child’s identity, and, honestly, that is some of my favorite and most difficult work to take on. I create space for parents in this process, including offering parent-only therapy sessions, and I talk with them directly about their experiences growing up. What was their family like? How did they view the LGBTQ community? How have parents or others in their lives, spoken about the LGBTQ community in the past?

The issues facing LGBTQ youth are huge. Suicidality, self harm, depression, anxiety, gender dysphoria or questioning. These are big topics that are not easy to solve or eradicate, but finding a trusted space to process emotions and connect to self is crucial. In my sessions as an art therapist, I emphasize that we are exploring the client’s identity as a whole. Their sexuality and gender identity are part of that whole, but there are other facets that make us who we are.

For a young person looking to start counseling, I would remind that that therapy is a human service. Sometimes you have to do a little “therapy shopping” to find a clinician who is right for you.

Morgan creates watercolor painting, orange paint on white paper with abstract swirls LGBTQ Allyship for Clinicians

As with any area of therapy, especially those which may not be a part of your lived experience, I think it is so important for clinicians to do research and reading on the communities they work with and to get involved with relevant organizations. It is a huge part of being a therapist and it is a part of being an advocate within therapy, as well as outside of it. There are many topics within the LGBTQ community that I am learning more about and research because I don’t have all the answers either. In my view, to be an affirmative therapist, you must put in this kind of work throughout your career to be effective and informed for your clients.

Looking to the Future

In terms of next steps in my career, I am looking forward to beginning practice as a fully registered art therapist. I plan to continue my work with the LGBTQ population and I look forward to working one-on-one with clients. In addition, I am excited to solidify my relationships with local schools, hospitals and community centers and serve as an advocate within these organizations. Advocacy is the center of my work, and I look forward to all opportunities to continue this important effort for my clients and community!

Edited by Izzy López

Ivy Tong Celebrates Creative Arts Therapies

03/14/23

Ivy Tong stands in front of blue wall, holding VR headset and smiling to camera “Dance and movement are a full body vulnerability,” shares Ivy Tong, MA dance/movement therapy and counseling ’23. “As a DMT therapist, it is such a privilege to get to know my clients and learn their stories through this modality. To me, therapy is all about hearing someone’s story and then helping them to reshape their story from a strengths-based perspective.”

LOVE OF DANCE

Born in Beijing, China, Tong studied Chinese traditional dance as a child and has fostered a life-long love for the arts. During her undergrad years, Tong studied social work and considered a career in counseling. However, Tong discovered the field of creative arts therapies and considered the possibility of combining her passion for dance with her professional interest in therapy.

“Because I am a dancer, I know how healing this modality can be,” Tong shares. “I know first-hand the way dance and movement transform my state of being, the way I’m feeling, my emotions and physical experience. Now, I want to use these skills and insights to help others.”

CREATIVE ARTS THERAPIES RESEARCH

Exterior image of Health Sciences Building, 11 story building with orange facade and windowsTong says she chose to come to Drexel because she was interested in pursuing research in the field of creative arts therapies. Now, she works as a research assistant in the Mind-Body & Movement Research for Whole-Person Health Lab, led by Minjung Shim, PhD, BC-DMT, an assistant research professor and board-certified dance/movement therapist. The mission of Shim’s lab is “to further the integration of mind-body medicine and creative arts-based interventions into the mainstream healthcare system by means of rigorous, evidence-based research and clinical application of this work.” The lab’s vision encompasses a drive to develop heightened interprofessional collaboration across academic disciplines as well as clinical and community interests.

A table lined with VR headsets “The work we are doing in this lab is very cool,” Tong says. “We are currently conducting a feasibility study to see how enjoyable and doable older adults find virtual reality mindful movement programs. So far, we are getting great results.”

As a part of her research work, Tong engages with VR technology in Shim’s lab to simulate experiences for study participants. Shim’s research lab makes use of the new Health Science Building and the dance/movement therapy research studio. “It’s a gorgeous space,” Tong comments.

PROFESSIONAL OPPORTUNITIES

In addition to her role in Shim’s lab, Tong has explored several internship opportunities at Jefferson Hospital through her masters’ program. Starting in September 2022, Tong has run therapy groups for in-patient psychiatric units at Jefferson, as well as groups for all different units and floors throughout the hospital. This upcoming term, Tong plans to work the oncology and palliative care units, an experience which will inform her thesis about grief and caregivers.

As Tong looks towards the future, she shares that she is hopeful about using dance and movement therapy as a method in her future practice. In the long term, Tong hopes to open a private practice that encompasses a variety of therapeutic approaches, including art therapy, movement therapy, music therapy, animal-assisted therapy and more. Tong is an ardent believer in the potential of creative arts therapies and its improved outcomes for clients.

“Our body holds a lot of information,” Tong explains. “It holds onto our memories, stories and experiences – all of this lives in our somatic memory. So sometimes, being able to move with someone can open them up more so than traditional talk therapy. It can make possible entire conversations that might not have otherwise been accessible for that person before exploring creative arts therapies.”

Written by Izzy López

How to Undo Systemic Racism in Higher Education Faculty Hiring

01/20/23

Veronica Carey, PhD, assistant dean for Diversity, Equity and Inclusion (seated on the left) and Marybeth Gasman, PhD, author of Doing the Right Thing: How Colleges and Universities Can Undo Systemic Racism in Faculty Hiring (seated on the right) having a discussion about Gasman's book.On Thursday, January 12th assistant dean for diversity, equity and inclusion Veronica Carey, PhD, hosted Marybeth Gasman, PhD, author of Doing the Right Thing: How Colleges and Universities Can Undo Systemic Racism in Faculty Hiring. The 90-minute event welcomed more than 70 faculty, professional staff and students from across Drexel University. This frank discussion, held in the College of Nursing and Health Professions' new Health Sciences Building, focused on what CNHP can do to support the hiring and retention of faculty of color. Gasman, the Samuel DeWitt Proctor Endowed Chair and a distinguished professor in the Graduate School of Education at Rutgers University, noted, " the reason why hiring faculty of color is an issue at most academies is because excuses have been made for the hiring of white faculty who may not have been as qualified as candidates of color."

In an interview format, Carey's first question, "why this book now?" Gasman responded, "I was angry enough to know academies should not continue like this." A historian by education, Gasman continued by sharing that she wanted to research how long this practice has been happening. Gasman stated that if an academy wants to do something it gets done. "My initial response to why this book now is also because academies do not want to hire faculty of color and I am tired of them stating we just can't find diverse faculty." She passionately answered Carey's follow-up questions — "why don't academies do more when they know the problem exists?", "what can leaders do to ensure equity in hiring?" and "how did you conduct research for this book?" Then, in and open Q&A, attendees asked Gasman to address concerns stemming from quality vs. pedigree and the excuses given for not doing the right thing.

Veronica Carey, PhD, assistant dean for Diversity, Equity and Inclusion (seated on the left) and Marybeth Gasman, PhD, author of Doing the Right Thing: How Colleges and Universities Can Undo Systemic Racism in Faculty Hiring (seated on the right) having a discussion about Gasman's book.

Attendee Denise Way, DNP, an assistant clinical professor in Undergraduate Nursing, stated, "This was so wonderful to have an opportunity to be in a room where this topic was addressed. So proud to hear peers' comments and suggestions to correct this issue." Board of Diversity, Equity and Inclusion student members Alexis Robinson, Charlise Williams, and Seleena Jacob celebrated being at an event targeted to support diverse educational opportunities while they matriculate at CNHP.

Written by Veronica Carey, PhD, assistant dean for diversity, equity and inclusion and associate clinical professor

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